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#1 Aphotic Raven

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 02:51 PM

Hi,

Quick battle report after we got raped:
http://redfed.eve-ki...kll_id=13524285

We formed a small fleet and had a few RR vexors in it at about 1300 eve time, we almost had a disaster when we went to the Josameto gate in Otela to fight 6-7 blues that had been hanging around and got jumped by 20~ in destroyers and smaller.
We managed to rep our navy vexor until he could jump out and go dock.

After this we started gaining more members and got the fleet back together.
We went looking for the blue gang but they had dried up.

We got up to 8 or so cruisers and went into liekuri to try and bust the blues at their safe.
They were not there but instead started the usual procession of expensive ships undocking.

We went to obanen to reform due to eve voice issues.
The blues then moved to poinen but would not engage.

Eventually they jumped into Obanen with around 20 but ran for it as soon we landed on the gate with them, losing just a rifter. http://redfed.eve-ki...kll_id=13524292

Obviously the blues needed to change their pants after almost being forced to fight 20 vs 16 so they took a bio break.

Ghost Nightmare was FCing the blues and got in touch with us around 14:00.
We asked what he had, he said 4 cruisers.
Our scout said 10, he corrected himself and said 11.

He told me that he had a 30 man fleet and about 20 were active.
Turns out they were all active as evidenced by the fight that followed.

Eventually at 14:15 the blue blob descended on us in poinen and a mass rape ensued.

http://redfed.eve-ki...kll_id=13524281

4 RR vexors didnt hold up against 27 ships at all and we were quickly wiped out.
Our target calling could have been better, if we had not attempted to quickly wipe out the destroyers on field and had focused solely on enemy cruisers we may have lasted slightly longer.

The usual blue strategy of red fleet + 50% = fight time won the day.
It was pretty shitty and a huge anticlimax after waiting an hour for you to fight us.

I'm just so glad that as always the blues are in this for the Good Fights.


Chat with blue FC

Ghost Nightmare > yo
Aphotic Raven > hi
Aphotic Raven > what are you doing
Aphotic Raven > we have been waiting for a fight for ages
Ghost Nightmare > just had a bio
Ghost Nightmare > are back now
Ghost Nightmare > kk
Ghost Nightmare > whatcha got?
Aphotic Raven > we're not coming to your undock to play with your logis and BS
Ghost Nightmare > figs dessies?
Aphotic Raven > we have a bunch of cruisers
Aphotic Raven > scout us in josa
Ghost Nightmare > numbers?
Aphotic Raven > 9 cruisers and a few frigs
Aphotic Raven > so dont bring retarded numbers
Aphotic Raven > what do you have, are you going to fight
Aphotic Raven > or should we just go home
Aphotic Raven > and were you FCIng the group that ran away from us in obanen?
Ghost Nightmare > yup
Ghost Nightmare > you caught us as half our fleet warped to liekuri gate after you
Ghost Nightmare > had to bail
Ghost Nightmare > or catastrophic loss
Aphotic Raven > you only lost 1 frig
Aphotic Raven > so.. come at us?
Ghost Nightmare > then peeps wanted bio
Ghost Nightmare > so we had one
Ghost Nightmare > i got a bacon sammich
Ghost Nightmare > was good
Ghost Nightmare > and now we are comming for you
Aphotic Raven > can you please tell me what you are bringing
Aphotic Raven > roughly
Ghost Nightmare > still building up
Ghost Nightmare > so far like 4 crusiers
Ghost Nightmare > + assorted shit
Aphotic Raven > our scout says you have way way more than that
Aphotic Raven > so...
Ghost Nightmare > 11
Ghost Nightmare > now
Aphotic Raven > im going to be recording this
Aphotic Raven > and its going on the forum
Ghost Nightmare > i dont give a crap
Ghost Nightmare > i aint lieing to you
Ghost Nightmare > we had 4 at the tac
Ghost Nightmare > when i said it
Ghost Nightmare > now we have 11 (12 but 11 is closer than 4)
Aphotic Raven > our entire fleet scouts and all is just 17
Ghost Nightmare > well you probably shouldve told me that
Ghost Nightmare > rather than just
Ghost Nightmare > 9 crusiers + frigs
Ghost Nightmare > i got a 30 man fleet of which i guess bout 20 are active (20? 27/30 is 20?)
Aphotic Raven > we are waiting for you still
Ghost Nightmare > fine
Ghost Nightmare > omw now
Ghost Nightmare > gf
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#2 Shenanigansbus

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:00 PM

Scouts + other FC's comp (even what they "thought it was") said you were going to get raped ... shouldn't have fought them, it is the best way to get a fight more in line with what you think is fair. Both sides will eventually balance it out to something both sides are willing to engage.

Also, that +50% goes both ways... it should read, opposing FC thinks fair is +50%... which applies to both sides AND sometimes in the same fight lol. Typical drama. I guess Ghost is back? Did you bring Angel and Jim with ya?
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:04 PM

Scouts + other FC's comp (even what they "thought it was") said you were going to get raped ... shouldn't have fought them, it is the best way to get a fight more in line with what you think is fair. Both sides will eventually balance it out to something both sides are willing to engage.

Also, that +50% goes both ways... it should read, opposing FC thinks fair is +50%... which applies to both sides AND sometimes in the same fight lol. Typical drama.


Piss poor attitude imo.

The goal is to get good fights. If a FC convos the other FC being upfront with numbers and wants both fleets to get a fight, deceiving him is just a dick move.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

Aye it is, but what happened was piss poor fleet management and your scouts knew it very well... Sometimes the ball is in your court to get it done right. I've developed this attitude over a long period of FC'ing in RvB for both sides, some FC's are on their shit some aren't and until you know how they handle things, it is YOUR job to make sure YOUR fleet gets a good fight. Trust but verify, sometimes the other FC won't intentionally be deceiving you but if they don't micromanage their fleet especially with people who are AFK it happens. People go AFK until they hear on coms hey we're warping in or primaries being called they magically wake the hell up and fuck up fights all the time. It is his fault for not managing his fleet numbers and the other FC's for knowingly engaging something that doomed. If the Red FC didn't have "good" knowledge of the opposing fleet and went in I would probably be more sympathetic but walking into a fire expecting not to get burnt confounds me, then posting it all on the forums, well.........
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:17 PM

I'm just so glad that as always the blues are in this for the Good Fights.


Its important to remember that - no matter how much it might seem as if the other side is evil and only looking out for themselves and forever cheating in order to win - it really is the same story on both sides of the coin. Blues bitch about reds, reds bitch about blues. There really are very few people in RvB who genuinely go out of their way to mislead and screw over the opposition. Its best just to chalk it up as bad luck and move on to the next pewfest (yes that's a word).

We are all PURPLE on the inside after all!
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:17 PM

Is this an AAR or a bitch post? Take it to the mediation room if you have an issue. Otherwise what Shen said.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

This has been happening consistently over the last 5 days at this time (I've been off work and playing a lot).

Maybe we should have the FCs swap fleets before they engage, as per http://rvbeve.com/fo...leet-swap-rule/
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:34 PM

Scouts + other FC's comp (even what they "thought it was") said you were going to get raped ... shouldn't have fought them, it is the best way to get a fight more in line with what you think is fair. Both sides will eventually balance it out to something both sides are willing to engage.

Also, that +50% goes both ways... it should read, opposing FC thinks fair is +50%... which applies to both sides AND sometimes in the same fight lol. Typical drama. I guess Ghost is back? Did you bring Angel and Jim with ya?


No Shen, I've been back for weeks. Ghost only joined up a couple of days ago, and I practically had to beg Angel to return. :D

Anyway, as has already been mentioned, this conversation needs to be taken to the mediation area. One thing I'll say is that this kind of thing does go on from time to time (certainly in the time I've been here, which is a while now). I mailed Del yesterday about the imbalance with the sides and the RvB channel MOTD has been changed so that more folks apply to Reds. Things will balance out. Then, In a couple of months, Blues will be in the same position as Reds are now.

Fly safe
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:34 PM

If your TZ is having that issue then I highly recommend bringing it up with the opposing FC... or constantly asking yourself, would I be willing to fight my own fleet with what they have? If the answer is no (not including just having a badass strategy/setup) then you're doing something wrong.

Yeah Jim, the US night TZ is pretty balanced as of late. A little blobby and upshippy on both sides but equally so.

Also, what is with your TZ and throwing wrenches into the gears??? /Sarcasm
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:39 PM

I FC and fly with both sides, mainly during US prime time and I would say that tz at least is as balanced as I've seen it in a while.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:43 PM

...just need a good old fashioned Texas bar fight to clear up this mess....
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:31 PM

When you guys say US TZ, what time do you mean evewise? As a student I might be a little different, I just want to see what you mean :)
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:33 PM

I mean 8-12pm my time so that's what? 0:00 to 0:400 evetime or so
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

Are you EST Clio? I usually get home around late euro I think (345 pacific) and play any time from then to 10 pacific, usually intermittently
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

Are you EST Clio? I usually get home around late euro I think (345 pacific) and play any time from then to 10 pacific, usually intermittently
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:47 PM

. Things will balance out. Then, In a couple of months, Blues will be in the same position as Reds are now.



Couple of months? The Reds had way more numbers about a week ago. It'll balance out in 2 or 3 days and then Blue's will be in the same position... a few days after that, it'll switch again... :)
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:51 PM

Josh, check out the KB, specifically which side gets more kills per month... It literally goes back and forth every few months. Hilarious
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:52 PM

Couple of months? The Reds had way more numbers about a week ago. It'll balance out in 2 or 3 days and then Blue's will be in the same position... a few days after that, it'll switch again... :)


Haha, you may have a point there. I mean, I rejoined in early May and the MOTD said 'Join Blues or else you'll get a slap'. We were getting dominated at first, but it all seemed to change after the E-UNI war.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:53 PM

Yeah Im eastern tz. But I also sometimes play during the day. I don't teach again til September
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