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#1 Viktor Rachtbuger

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:00 AM

Heard this a lot recently.

 

Most players in RvB have an alternate Isk making source, either through the RvB toon being an alt or a stable of income producing toons on alt accounts or selling Plexs.

 

To enjoy and participate in RvB, one is able to do this after only 2 days of training pvp specific sklls. I.e. frig to level 3 SOme kind of Gun or MIssile to Level 3 and some kind of tank skill PLUS usually the ability to Point or shoot web.

 

So this means if your new TO EVE and dont have dollars for plex, the next best thing to make isk is make an alt on the same account. - and lets face it you will need an alt that can haul new ships and fittings for you from Jita unless you use courier services.

 

You can try Station trading in Jita or one of the other Hubs like Rens, Amarr or that gallantee one. you can get started in this for about 2 hours of skill trading. obviously the more days you put into skills the better your toon will be.

 

This needs some player skill and reserach time. there are many stories of people starting with 100 isk and making a billion with in a month.

 

One can also make an industry alt for mining or buidling things. but this again takes some eve knowledge.

 

I think the most easiest outcome for a new to Eve player is to create a Mission alt.

a basic run of the mill Alt able to do Level 3 missions takes about 55 days.  (Basic skills posted below) the following alt can start making money from day one doing the tutorial missions then level ones and so on building up to higher level mission agents as the skills progress.

 

Extra skills will make the alt more efficient at making isk. BS skills will allow it to do L4 missions, but more time is needed, and obviuolsy you want to get back to training awsomeness on your RvB main.

Training Salvaging will also add to the isk fund.

 

Keeping all the PvP meta modules you find while missioning for your RvB alt will also save on costs.

 

Basic Level 3 Mission alt skills

 

Social I
Social II
Social III
Connections I
Connections II
Connections III
Connections IV
Connections V
Leadership I
Leadership II
Leadership III
Security Connections I
Security Connections II
Security Connections III
Security Connections IV
Security Connections V
Negotiation I
Negotiation II
Negotiation III
Negotiation IV
Negotiation V
Social IV
Social V
Caldari Frigate III
Caldari Frigate IV
Caldari Cruiser I
Caldari Cruiser II
Caldari Cruiser III
Missile Launcher Operation I
Afterburner I
Shield Upgrades I
Tactical Shield Manipulation I
Energy Grid Upgrades I
Energy Grid Upgrades II
Weapon Upgrades I
Weapon Upgrades II
Weapon Upgrades III
Weapon Upgrades IV
Mechanics III
Jury Rigging I
Jury Rigging II
Jury Rigging III
Shield Rigging I
Drones I
Scout Drone Operation I
Missile Launcher Operation II
Missile Launcher Operation III
Light Missiles I
Light Missiles II
Light Missiles III
Heavy Missiles I


20 unique skills, 51 skill levels; Total time: 55 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes, 43 seconds; Completion: 29/04/2013 1:08:03 AM; Cost: 21,635,500
N.B. Skill costs are based on CCP's database and are indicative only

 

For a basic Level 3 Drake Fit

[Drake, EVEMon Drake: Cheap, Low-skill PvE]
Local Power Plant Manager: Reaction Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I
Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Hobgoblin I x1

 

 

 


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:59 AM

You dont need an alt to run missions, just drop corp and grind missions for a bit and come back when you have more isk :)

Good little guide though :D


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:47 AM

You dont need an alt to run missions, just drop corp and grind missions for a bit and come back when you have more isk :)

Good little guide though :D

true, but the assumption is you dont want to miss a whole day of RvB with your pVp main,  let alone the week you will be forced into if you drop corp to mission run :)


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:12 AM

true, but the assumption is you dont want to miss a whole day of RvB with your pVp main,  let alone the week you will be forced into if you drop corp to mission run :)

 

Remember the 7 days thing is only if we have a 3rd party war, and even then you can join the other side (ie leave Red, join blue and vice versa).


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:26 PM

If your running this on your one and only account I'd create a haulling alt and run level 4 cargo missions, it's boring but then so are most forms PvE it's a much quicker train and the +4 implants given out in some of the storyline missions would be very useful for a new player.

 

http://wiki.eveunive...g_an_Alt_Hauler

 

http://wiki.eveunive..._Cargo_Missions

 

I've not looked at it in ages but one of the 90 alt account deals might be better for creating a mission running alt, would give you time to train the skills up a bit more.

 

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

Also worth mentioning Planetary Interaction (PI). It's not going to make you mega bucks if your running it off one account, but you can setup three characters (on your one account) and get them churning planet goo out. You'll probably make more money than running level 3 missions, it'll take you less training time, much less time actually doing stuff giving you more time to pew pew. It's not going to make you space rich in a hurry but you should be able to live off it in RvB if you don't have too expensive tastes. Worth pointing out you can do PI in addition to other things like mission running - it's a great way to boost your income a bit without taking up too much time.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:34 PM

If you are new, you really don't want to spend 55 days of training time on an alt. To make it much shorter you can really leave out connections V, security connections V and maybe even negotiation V.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:02 PM

If you are new, you really don't want to spend 55 days of training time on an alt. To make it much shorter you can really leave out connections V, security connections V and maybe even negotiation V.

 

I completely agree, taking those skills to 5 on the same account is a LOT of time if you want to pvp nonstop, not to mention the fact you really don't need either of these at 5 if you only want to do lvl 3 missions


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:21 AM

yeah the social to V is a personal decision. i threw it in there, as i assumed the person would want to max their isk making when they were running missions.

 

Some other good thoughts on isk making. i had considerted those when i put this togther, but i considered all those options as requiring More Eve Knowledge and some research on the players part. More so then just doing missions.

 

For my isk making, i thought i would show what i do. - ok it invloves some well developed a specialised characters. but i took the time to plan and track out what i wanted from my alts.

 

and by the way my Blue alt, Norgs, i think i had about 70 kills on him on his first day or two of RvB with only 2 days of skill training. Even now Norgs can still only fly frigs, but i have over 500 kills on him. but generally i only fly him if there is no action going on in red. or i want to hear Serneds calm tones.

FOr the most part i train up characters in RvB for PVP and then sell them. been doing this since RvB started. although this is the most involved ive been in RvB, and if i stop doing Null - id sell my main and keep Navani as my RvB main.

Usually i make about 7-16 bil for the $20 transfer fee. mostly cause my Mains on those accounts dont need more skill training, so i dont count plex or account fees - as the accounts are not in addition to what i would be paying to play.

Again this needs some player resources and research.

But from some one i trust with math, they reckon on a secondary account dedicated to it, they can churn out 'Nyx' sitter toons for about 1.5-2 bill profit (including plex costs).

I have about 70 bil isk in assets and Isk. But despite this i dont go wilde with my isk in RvB and try and be isk neutral. Ok so some of the things i do might be a bit anal for some, and some would say i dont enjoy my isk. - I do, but i know oh how so easy it is to burn through 10billion isk very quickly. (or 30 bil if you loose your super.)

 

On Navani - i pvp and the isk making i do on her is loot whore. If i see a can or wreck unlooted or drones i loots them. RvB rules are keep what you loot. so do it. however i think its rude to start looting before the fight ends and the FC says loot up, but do as you will with this. i know many loot during fights and i have no issue with them doing it.

in otella i have a PvP can, a Refine Can, a  Jita can.

anything i can pvp with that costs less then 150k isk goes in the pvp can. (I generally dont use Tech 2 or meta 4 mods on my fits. in most of the fleet fights we do, i find that past cheap meta 2 or 3 the diminishing returns are not isk efficient. and hey anyway i come from a null sec, "keep up your isk efficincy for the corp alliance" back ground - if i can use tech 2 guns, then i do, as the thermodynamics, greater range in ammo choices and the small dmg percentages are worth it. I find meta 1 or Tech 2 fit tanks die for me only marginally differnt for when im primaried and cant bail out. of course Nomaa and solo work the higher meta gear will see you through. but im just talking general fleet fits here.)

Anything work more than 150k isk goes into the jita can for transport to jita and sale by my Trade alt

all others go in my Refine can.

all up this makes me 100-200 mil a month. if you consider the avg cost of a Corp sponsered T1 fit frig is 1-2m thats 100 to 200 shipsplossions a month.

Ok so i knock myself out and allow myself 1 new BC, 10 Cruisers, 40 Dessis and 200 Frigs a month. all this i do with the cheaper fittings from my PvP can.

 

Now on the same account i have a mission alt. this mission alt has perfect refining and basic industry skills. and can fly an orca/fenri so i can move ships around.

 

on that account i run one or two Level 4 missions a day (usually when i cant get in a Red fleet - or a blue one on my Blue alt which sits on my Null Sec main account). I refine all the cheap loots and often build whatever ships are the most isk efficent to build with my skills. Currently thats based on Eve Ish per Hour tool so slashers, Talwars, Thrashers and Catalysts. keep what i want and sell the rest to pay for my other hulls which i can buy cheaper then i can make with my Trade alts buy order skills.

From the mission alt i get my cheaper factin ammo with loots and Loyalty points, i get my cheaper combat implants and i also get cheap meta 2-3 pvp moduels (i sell the meta 4s) as well as the isk.

this nets me about an extra 20-30 mil a day depending what missions i draw. on worlds collide i generally make 50-60mil after selling/processing everything.

This toon also has data core reaserch skills. i used to make lots of passive isk this way. saddly now for the data cores i make about 20 mil a month instead of the 100-200 a month :( (cost me 75 days training and about 100 mil in skill books - but you can see even at the poor prices now, it pays for it self in three months)

On my trade alt and mission alt i have also trained the PI skills. from this with just simple PI set ups on 4-5 high sec planets each, for 2 mins work a day i make about 35 mil per toon. smarter people and people with more time for this can and do make more. start up cost was about 5 mil in skill books and about 7 mil per planet to set up.

Eve uni wiki has a lot of good info on setting this up if you are interested.

I used to tech 2 invention, production on a industry alt. but i sold that toon (that toon was so well set up with 50 mil sp that with 30 mins work a day i could produce 1 bil net profit a month) The isk from that toon i now invest with people like Clio for 2 or 3% per month return. i started eve with my trader alt then got into industry heavy. so much so that i cant look at a roid or a blue print anymore with out pain. bascially i mined so hard i cant do it no more. and since 2008 when i first shot web and killed a rifter with my retriever i have never looked back.

About once a month on my Null sec dude (who is all sub cap maxed) or my thanatos pilot, i run some 8/10s with my son and some old mates from the 'old days' my son probes down about 3-4 sites. we hit them for an hour or two and usually our cuts are 1-4 bil each. depedning on how many mach BPCs we get. we dont loot, just the officer/dead space gear etc. if its the two of us we do it in our carriers. for more profit but over about double the time.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:29 AM

Thanks for the info all I was wondering if there was an effective way to make ISK while in RvB? I.e without an alt? Some of us may not have to time to work on a alt toon or might not want to miss out on all the RvB fun :) I appreciate it might not be as good has having an alt toon but any suggestions would be helpful Veda (not the bread)
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

Seconding PI as a way to make some ISK while pew pewing in RvB. There's some ramp up time (via skills), but once you get Planetary Consolidation and Command Center Upgrades IV, and Planetology III, and Remote Sensing I, the only time you'll spend on it is resetting your extractors and hauling your moon goo.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:08 PM

@Mr Veda

 

short answer: no

 

long answer:

You're gonna be missing out on the RvB fun anyways if you're off doing Missions (bad idea now that the tax is at 60%)/PI/trade/whatever, The best thing to do if you dont have alt, is drop corp, grind isk and come back, its not like the app process takes long. Also if you're not in corp you dont have to worry about getting blown up doing whatever it is you chose to do to earn isk and you'll end up making isk more quickly and hence you'll be able to get back to pewpewing sooner. if you need someone to chat with while you grind isk, the public channel is always there, + several other semi-public channels we have.

 

You shouldn't expect to be able to make any isk while in RvB, you should wholly expect to lose all your isk in fact.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:47 PM

I train and sell pilots.
I have multiple accounts, so I keep training my mains on my main account while training on my other accounts.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:09 AM

Fair enough. An alt it is! Does PI still run for an alt while you're on your main?
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:27 AM

Fair enough. An alt it is!

Does PI still run for an alt while you're on your main?

Yes, so you can have PI running on all 3 chars on an account at the same time!
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:32 PM

Or do market trading, if that's your thing.. you can trade in jita from RvB with some skills. Be ready for some losses while you start out.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:00 AM

Here's the thing, training a PI alt takes, what, 3 weeks for skills @ 4? (maybe less, I don't recall now) Once you have the skills, the time investment is approximately 1 hour to set up five planets (per character), then something like 10-15 minutes a week to reset extractors, maybe, and another 1-2 hours every week or two for hauling. It's not a huge time investment (except for the training), and it's all nearly passive income once you've got things set up.

 

It's one way to have ISK being generated while you're in RvB, and as someone else mentioned, PI generates income on your alts even when you're playing your main character in RvB.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:11 PM

hmm, i have a slightly alternative strategy to isk-making;  i try and do 'out-of-eve' things i wouldnt normally bother doing to make some money (via paypal) and then pay for my accounts and plex using that.   though the only successful one so far is designing t-shirts for http://www.redbubble.com/

 

i admit, its a slightly weird logic (paypal money is still money), but i have always hated the notion of grinding in MMOs, and EVE can be the grindiest of them all.   

 


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

I'm trying to get into the world of station trading since we're near Jita

here is a video i'm using for tips


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:45 AM

Good thread, should be sticky.

 

Get a 51 day alt. Make ISK while you pew.

 

Good ISK making activities on your alt would be semi passive so you can focus on pew pew :

Planetary Interaction

Mining

Hauling

Station Trading

Manufacturing

Research

Salvaging

Scanning, not scamming!

( I used to probe out uninhabited wormholes and sell them for hundreds of millions)

Exploration 

(Hacking, Gas mining etc.)


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