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#1 Professor Clio

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:17 PM

My first tries at fits here:

Osprey:


[Osprey, RR]

Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Surrogate Gravimetric Reserve Array I

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I

Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Energy Transfer Array II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

At all V cap stable with 1 medium energy transfer incoming. 32K buffer, resists in the 70s


[Scythe, RR]

Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

10MN Afterburner II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
EM Ward Amplifier II

Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II
Medium Shield Transporter II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1


Cap stable on its own if not running the invulns (if getting shot turn on pre-O/H invulns and stop repping) 26.5K buffer only but decent resists at 70% accross the board and fast and low sig with the AB

Exequror:


[Exequror, RR]

800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

36K buffer, resists in the 70s, stable without the hardener running (again when you take fire start the pre-O/H hardener and stop repping)


[Augoror, RR]

800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Sensor Booster II

Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Cap stable with an incoming energy transfer, 30K buffer, resists at 78/72/67/66


For all of them I went with an AB to minimize sig radius and made them cap stable (or near enough that it wouldnt matter) In pairs with people who know that they're doing the Aug/basi are best because 4 reppers and ECCM, but the Exeq and scythe are actually very close in repping power since they get a bonus to rep drones. Exeq and Scythe are also much more forgiving since they dont require a cap chain. All in all, GREAT little ships.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:26 PM

Now a MWD scythe fit:



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Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1


Sig radius blows up, but the speed is nice. Might actually be better than the AB version since it'll go 2km/s. Must turn off MWD to rep though.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:29 PM

MWD Exeq fit:


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800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
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Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5


This one I really feel should be sig tanked as its not nearly as fast as the scythe, but still viable. Must turn off MWD to rep.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:23 PM

your lack of logi frigs disturbs me....... :P
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

I'm playing with those in PYFA now :)
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:11 AM

For RvB version, replace one midslot tank mod with a TD to whore on KMs. ;)

Logis should really show up on KMs automatically whenever they rep one of the parties involved in the kill.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:06 PM

No. I will relentlessly mock any logi pilot I see whoring on mails.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

if you wanna whore use the drone bay instead.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:04 PM

Not a good idea either. If you start locking the enemy, odds are eventually you'll rep one by accident. Whoring in Logi ships is for terribads (like Wiiggls)
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:54 PM

Not a good idea either. If you start locking the enemy, odds are eventually you'll rep one by accident. Whoring in Logi ships is for terribads (like Wiiggls)


Just assign drones to FC and enjoy getting killmails :)
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

You lose a lot of repping power doing that, especially with the exeq and the scythe. Their Bonused rep drones are as good as a 4th repper. There are no circumstances under which getting on a KM in a logi is good. (well unless you're bait I suppose)
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

You lose a lot of repping power doing that, especially with the exeq and the scythe. Their Bonused rep drones are as good as a 4th repper. There are no circumstances under which getting on a KM in a logi is good. (well unless you're bait I suppose)


only 2 off the ships have a drone rep bonus, with out it they are pretty shit when you consider movement time aswell, so having DPS drones will be fine.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

Terribad idea. You're just trying to justify whoring. Your job is to rep. Nobody cares about your killboard (you = generic you, not kelsar specifically)

Edit: your drones actually dont have travel time. (hint: pre-set them to rep your FC/anchor then move them)
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:20 PM

Obviously people will whore, people care about their KBs, but I love flying logi, I'm a bit of a purist and if I see you on a KM with a logi ship I automatically classify you a fail logi pilot. Anything that doesnt maximize your repping power is wasted.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

I disagree your just trying to justify not getting on killmails at any cost, 4 small rep drones t2 do 22% off 1 bonus medium repper or 14 armor pr. sec, 4 t2 hobgoblins do 79,2 dps, In my world 79,2 dps is much better.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:34 PM

Not a good idea either. If you start locking the enemy, odds are eventually you'll rep one by accident. Whoring in Logi ships is for terribads (like Wiiggls)


There's a reason that the Goons (for example) won't reimburse logistics pilots who fit a gun to their logistics ships. Their job is to rep, not fight.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

You're forgetting that damage drones dps get reduced by resist and rep drones dps gets increased by resists. Assuming a 50% resists (actually most fits will be higher, but this makes the math easy) the T1 logi cruisers rep the following amounts:

A Scythe Reps 64.6 dps with drones so 129.2 effective assuming 50% resits
A exec reps 70 dps with drones so 140 effective assuming 50% resist
An osprey (your 4 drone example) will still rep 28 dps effective with 50% resists while your 79.2 drone dps is less than 40 in applied damage post resists
Aug has same numbers as osprey

In the real world you'll often encounter resists higher than 50% making the numbers even better for the rep drones.

A fleet fit moa, for example, can easily get its resists in the high 70s, making the rep drones stupid effective. Even a fleet Omen, arguably one of the less tanky fleet ships still has 68/58/52/49 resists with a single EANM and DCU. real world numbers favor rep drones.

On that not very tanky omen your 4 small unbonused rep drones will rep on average (56% average resists) rep 32 incoming and your DPS drones do 34 dps. And that's pretty much the worst case real world scenario for the rep drones. On that Moa with its resists in the high 70s, the rep drones take a clear advantage. In a best case scenario for a T1 cruiser lets assume a 2x O/H invuln moa with resists at 71/77/83/85 for an average of resist at 79% Then your rep drones are now repping 70 real worl DPS and your DPS drones only applying 16 dps.

An Osprey with 4 med reppers and those 4 small drones now reps a whopping 1470 effective incoming DPS on that fleet moa... pretty crazy eh?

Edit: I've spent an inordinate amount of time theory crafting these.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:48 PM

You lose a lot of repping power doing that, especially with the exeq and the scythe. Their Bonused rep drones are as good as a 4th repper. There are no circumstances under which getting on a KM in a logi is good. (well unless you're bait I suppose)


But isn't RvB all about whoring KMs?

Personally I would have logi drones in my logi ships and maybe a set of ECM if I do nanoing. And I would never fit guns on my logi ships just for whoring KMs. Too many ppl live and breathe for their KB stats. I just use my KB to see how much I suck. And the worse my KB looks, the better. It will only trick ppl to underestimate me.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:49 PM

You're forgetting that damage drones dps get reduced by resist and rep drones dps gets increased by resists. Assuming a 50% resists (actually most fits will be higher, but this makes the math easy) the T1 logi cruisers rep the following amounts:

A Scythe Reps 64.6 dps with drones so 129.2 effective assuming 50% resits
A exec reps 70 dps with drones so 140 effective assuming 50% resist
An osprey (your 4 drone example) will still rep 28 dps effective with 50% resists while your 79.2 drone dps is less than 40 in applied damage post resists
Aug has same numbers as osprey

In the real world you'll often encounter resists higher than 50% making the numbers even better for the rep drones.

A fleet fit moa, for example, can easily get its resists in the high 70s, making the rep drones stupid effective. Even a fleet Omen, arguably one of the less tanky fleet ships still has 68/56/52/49 resists with a single EANM and DCU. real world numbers favor rep drones.


I'm not gonna argue that the Scythe and Exec need rep drones. Thats not the point. Your argument is that you have to use rep drones or you are "bad", and as your own math even shows there is almost no differences. In fact having rep drones adds less then 8 % more reps which comes with a flight time between targets, and if you stick it to the fc all right it might not do anything. I think fitting combat drones for adding DPS, and this way whoring on killmails is perfectly viable.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

there's almost no difference in the worst case for drones scenario. in the best case for drones scenario (2 invuln moa) its not even close. Assuming a real worl between the 2, the rep drones are always the clear winner. Math dont lie
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